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Can an Apple lawsuit derail OpenAI’s hardware plans?

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Apple recently filed a trade secrets lawsuit against OpenAI, accusing the AI company of a pattern of misconduct aimed at getting current and former Apple employees to share confidential information. (In response, OpenAI said it is “not aware of any evidence that this complaint has merit.”)

On the latest episode of TechCrunch’s Equity podcast, Kirsten Korosec, Sean O’Kane, and I debated whether this lawsuit will cast a shadow over OpenAI’s much-discussed plans to get into the hardware business (starting with a mobile smart speaker) and go public.

“Even setting aside whether or not the court grants any kind of injunctive relief or any kind of restraining order over what OpenAI is doing, it just naturally can lead to that sort of situation where it’s going to cause some delays in what OpenAI is working on,” Sean suggested. “Which I’m sure was probably part of the reasoning behind Apple doing this. They don’t do this stuff willy nilly.”

With all those plans on the line, will OpenAI try to settle this as quickly as possible, or did it learn from its recent courtroom victory against Elon Musk that it can endure the cost and embarrassment of a trial? Kirsten, at least, predicts the latter.

Keep reading for a preview of our conversation, edited for length and clarity.

Kirsten Korosec: Sean, how do you feel about Sam Altman listening to you with a little device maybe in your pocket?

Sean O’Kane: I’m good. Maybe that’s predictable, but I’m good. No thanks.

We’ll get into it, I’m sure, but this is allegedly the first product that OpenAI has been working on in its hardware division with Jony Ive and company. They’ve been really coy ever since that weird video they put out last year of them sitting at that coffee shop or bar in San Francisco and sort of talking very vaguely about hardware and legacy devices, meaning laptops and phones. And so if this is the direction they’re headed in, all power to people who want to have somebody like that always listening to them. This is not going to be for me.

Anthony Ha: Part of what we have to remember about those kinds of devices is also that, depending on how mobile it is, it’s not just listening to you, it’s listening to the people around you. I might be fine with it — I’m not fine with it, but let’s say I was — but then if we met up in-person at Disrupt, then suddenly it might be listening to all of us. 

There’s all kinds of social norms that are going to have to be renegotiated if these things become widespread. I think we should make fun of and criticize people who record other people without consent.

Kirsten: Well, I bring up the device that has been speculated about for a really long time, and we’ll see what it really ends up being once it’s officially introduced, but it’s important in the context of this lawsuit that Apple filed last Friday. 

It was the biggest news of the week, certainly, and this is a trade secret lawsuit. It has some pretty wild allegations and we should very much emphasize these are allegations that have been filed in a complaint by Apple. But what it is accusing OpenAI of is a pattern of misconduct at the highest levels, specifically directed towards OpenAI employees who used to work at Apple. And in fact they’ve named the chief hardware officer Tang Tan in this lawsuit.

This is all important because Apple is accusing OpenAI of essentially stealing their trade secrets, but in the context of that, this could be then used for a competing hardware product. I’m wondering if maybe we don’t get into whether this lawsuit has merits, because we haven’t gone through full discovery, but what are your initial impressions of the lawsuit aside from the fact that wow, this is going to be entertaining?

Sean: Two things. One, this is a pretty big risk potentially to whatever it is OpenAI is working on. Even setting aside whether or not the court grants any kind of injunctive relief or any kind of restraining order over what OpenAI is doing, it just naturally can lead to that sort of situation where it’s going to cause some delays in what OpenAI is working on, which I’m sure was probably part of the reasoning behind Apple doing this. They don’t do this stuff willy nilly.

The other is that we think that OpenAI is — we know that they’ve filed confidentially for an IPO. We think it might happen as early as the end of this year, or early next year, if you believe Sam Altman’s cautious language around the IPO. And this just raises a whole bunch of questions around that because, on the one hand, we think their business right now is probably overwhelmingly the software; they’re not really factoring in any hardware business into that picture at the moment.

They’re about to go to the markets and they’re going to be pitching bankers and investors on where they think their addressable market should be, and if they have a big amount of that pegged to a potential hardware division and hardware products, this could be a huge risk to that and changes a lot of the calculus of sort of how the IPO gets priced. So that’s where my head’s at.

Anthony: One [allegation] that I assume that Apple must have pretty solid like numbers on is, they said more than 400 Apple employees now work at OpenAI. Granted, both of them are very large companies with many thousands or tens of thousands of employees. So as a percentage, it’s not necessarily huge. But that seems like a lot of people and a pretty serious talent drain. 

And the other thing I’m wondering is related to Sean’s point. With the context of the potential IPO, how much damage did OpenAI ultimately take from a marketing and brand perspective from the trial it already went through? That it seemed to basically win, but there was a lot of not-terrible-but-kind-of-embarrassing dirty laundry that came out in the testimony. To what extent are they just like, “We do not want to go through that again”? Or did they take the lesson of, “Hey, we went through it and we survived and we’ll be okay if we have to do another trial with Apple”?

Kirsten: I fully predict the latter, by the way.

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“He’s Not at the Level We Want, But I Believe in Him” — Simeone Backs Lookman to Rediscover Best Form

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Atlético Madrid manager Diego Simeone has thrown his weight behind Nigerian international Ademola Lookman despite admitting that the Super Eagles forward is yet to reach the performance level expected of him at the Spanish club.

Simeone acknowledged that Lookman has not been performing at the standard either the player or the coaching staff desires, but insisted that his commitment in training and willingness to improve remain encouraging.

“Ademola isn’t at the level he wants or we want, but he works hard every day,” Simeone said.

The Argentine tactician also highlighted Lookman’s attacking qualities, particularly his ability to take on defenders, explaining that losing possession is sometimes an unavoidable part of a player’s efforts to create opportunities.

“He’s a dribbler, and he needs to lose the ball sometimes,” the Atlético manager explained.

Despite his assessment of the Nigerian’s current form, Simeone made it clear that he retains confidence in Lookman’s ability to deliver.

“I believe in him,” he declared.

The comments underline the balance Simeone is seeking between demanding improved performances and allowing the forward the freedom to express himself in attacking situations.

Lookman’s reputation has been built on his pace, movement and ability to unsettle defenders in one-on-one situations, qualities that have made him an important attacking option for both club and country.

However, Simeone’s remarks suggest that the Nigerian still has work to do to consistently meet the demands of his manager’s tactical approach.

Rather than questioning Lookman’s effort, the Atlético coach appears encouraged by his attitude and daily commitment, indicating that the player continues to enjoy the backing of the technical staff.

For Lookman, the challenge will be to translate that hard work into more decisive contributions on matchdays while retaining the attacking boldness that defines his game.

Simeone’s message is clear: Lookman has not yet reached the desired standard, but his manager remains convinced that the Nigerian has the qualities and determination to improve.

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AI, energy supply shock, mounting debts headline IMF/World Bank meetings in Bangkok

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Financial experts, government officials, central bank chiefs, heads of multilateral organisations and other participants are gathered this week in Bangkok, Thailand, for the annual meetings of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and World Bank scheduled to be held between October 12 and 18.

Participants are expected to deliberate on the disruptive potential of Artificial Intelligence (AI) in the global economy, the widening war in the Middle East and its impact on the global economy, the global energy supply shock, mounting debts, and rising interest rates that pose daunting risks to global economic growth.

IMF Managing Director Kristalina Georgieva says the Queen Sirikit National Convention Centre will host 18,000 people who were registered to attend the meetings, 4,000 more than the last off-site meetings held in Morocco in October 2023.

The IMF has made no significant change to its forecast of 3% global growth in 2026, and the body says some countries are expected to be downgraded because of war and reduced energy exports.

The meetings are also expected to address the growing public debt burden that has slowed growth and worsened inflation, as public debt remains at its highest level since World War Two and will exceed 100% of GDP before 2030, according to the IMF.

Emerging markets and low-income countries are particularly vulnerable, given high public debt levels that will have to be renegotiated at higher interest rates.

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Equally important on the agenda is the precarity of platform-driven labour, amid AI-enabled automation and the changing future of work.

On Monday, Ms Georgieva said Artificial Intelligence (AI) could affect about 40 per cent of jobs globally, urging governments to prepare workers for the changing labour market. She described AI as a “slow-moving tsunami” for the labour market, saying it could augment, downgrade or eliminate jobs.

IMF estimates show that AI could affect about 60 per cent of jobs in advanced economies and 23 per cent in low-income countries, reflecting the slower spread of AI rather than greater protection from its effects.

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The Bangkok meetings are taking place amid disruptions and a war that has negatively affected energy supplies, especially via the Middle East.

Flights to Bangkok, the host city of this year’s off-site meetings, often route through the Middle East, creating immediate challenges for global travellers heading to Thailand’s capital.

On Sunday, there were attacks on Saudi airports, prompting disruptions to international travel.

The IMF and World Bank’s last off-site annual meetings took place in Morocco in 2023.

Nigeria’s participation

Already, Nigeria’s Minister of Finance and Coordinating Minister of the Economy, Taiwo Oyedele, has arrived in Bangkok, Thailand, to lead the nation’s delegation to the meetings

A statement from the Federal Ministry of Finance said the annual gathering provides Nigeria with an opportunity to engage with international financial institutions and development partners on economic issues affecting the country and its development priorities.

Mr Oyedele’s presence at the meetings is equally expected to allow the Federal Government to present its economic priorities to development organisations and international partners. He is also expected to discuss how external cooperation can support domestic reform efforts.

The finance ministry website also says that, on the sidelines of the meetings, Nigeria will convene investors, project sponsors and public institutions around a curated pipeline of bankable opportunities across strategic sectors. The programme is focused on private-capital mobilisation, food security and infrastructure development. Another event focuses on investor and project-owner conversations at Fairmont Bangkok Sukhumvit.

PREMIUM TIMES newspaper is in Bangkok, Thailand’s capital, to report on the meetings and other policy decisions as they affect the global economy and Nigeria’s domestic affairs.


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